i really don’t understand why you WANT derek to have been a minor so badly that when anyone corrects you and tells you he was either 18 or over you get angry
why would you WANT derek to have been sexually assaulted/raped
y’all are fucking sick and disgusting and it almost seems like you’re more invested in making kate out to be a sexual predator/pedophile than you are in the well being of derek as a character/person
Derek stans don’t like it because Derek being a child when he was with Kate is what their fantasies are based upon. The whole “Derek is a victim” thing stems from this idea that Derek was defenseless against Kate, that he was just a lil’ boy who didn’t know any better, and that Kate took complete advantage of this innocent, minor werewolf. Derek being an adult when he was with Kate completely obliterates everything they know about Derek, and it bothers them. Derek stans can no longer fall back on the “well, Derek was just a child” excuses to defend and justify his shitty actions as an adult. Derek was a grown man when he entered a relationship with Kate, meaning he’s partially responsible for giving up too much to a girl he fell for too fast. Hilariously enough, this is what people try to attack Scott for. The only difference is that Scott was/is a minor when he fell for Allison, and, well, his love for Allison didn’t lead to the deaths of several people.
It also doesn’t help with Sterek all too much. I mean, this means that Derek is around the age of 25 or older, making him nine or ten years Stiles’ senior. A lot of people held onto the hope that Derek wasn’t as old as canon once implied, but it seems that he in fact is as old, or even older, as canon implied.
Sterek shippers considering people like Colethewolf and Athenadark to be “voices of reason” within the their fandom just goes to show how far removed most of these people are from what’s actually happening on the show. Heralding the way those two people perceive the events and characters on Teen Wolf only proves that everything you think about the show and, more importantly, your ship, is based upon lies, misinterpretations, and just shit y’all like to make up to make yourselves feel better.
Guess what fandom, if I was Scott McCall and the only way to save my mom was to completely betray Derek Hale, then that’s what I’ll do. If saving my mom means leaving Derek Hale to save himself, that’s what I’ll do. If saving my mother’s life means that I’ll have to fucking murder Derek Hale brutally, then guess what? Sayonara Derek Hale!
get the fuck over yourselves and try for some damn empathy ya fuckin psychopaths smh
"Your mother isn’t more important than Derek Hale." - a Sterek shipper probably
Good-fucking-bye at people acting like they’d be okay with dark!Scott when they know damn well this entire fandom will crucify Scott all the way to Timbuktu the moment he does anything remotely close to what dark!Stiles did last season.
oh my god. What if Scott ends up turning evil and there’s a whole Anakin/Obi-Wan “You were my brother, Anakin.” parallel scene with Scott and Stiles….
And you know what….Jeff would totally do that.
This is what athenadark, andawayrigaud, sublime glass, weasley-detectives and myself have been thinking. Scott hasn’t gone through the hero’s quest, is largely portrayed to be selfish and arrogant, while standing aside while other people usually end up saving the day and he gets all of the credit. The camera techniques used on Scott in the scene where he forces Derek to bite Gerard are ones typically used on Villians in most films. We assume that Scott is the hero because he’s the focus of the narrative, but he’s really not a hero if you look at the full “board”. Scott, like Anakin has an intense fear of loss and an arrogance about him that will lead to his turn to the “dark side”
what in the actual living fuck show are you people WATCHING. this kid was bitten against his will, has watched multiple people DIE in his arms, and ya’ll still cry “well, he must be a BAD guy” like what the FUCK show are you watching because it’s obviously not the same one i am. *rubs temples*
"scott thinks people owe him" SCOTT WHO ALL BUT GIVES UP EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE. SCOTT WHO WATCHED A MAN DIE AFTER TRYING TO HEAL HIS PAIN AND WAS *FORCED*, MEER SECONDS LATER, TO GET OVER IT. SCOTT, WHO WAS FUCKING *STABBED IN THE CHEST* BY HIS BEST. FRIEND, (also instead of freaking out scott asks if stiles is okay, yeah what a "bad" guy).
what is wrong with this fucking fandom.
Scott isn’t arrogant. That is Stiles. Scott doesn’t think people owe him things. That is Stiles. Scott doesn’t have a hero complex. That is STILES. S T I L E S. You guys are literally projecting YOUR fave’s negative traits onto Scott as a means to hate him.
scott don’t deserve ya’ll and no fucking wonder posey went on that rant about sterek. what an absolutely fucking delusional fandom.
You know that just because a character has some nice traits doesn’t mean they can’t be a villain, right? All villains are heroes in their own mind. Nobody is saying that Scott is definitely a villain. However, people are picking apart what Scott is made of to really understand his character.
Scott is cute, and cuddly, and cares about the people he knows and loves. But Scott is one selfish motherfucker. And yes, he is arrogant.
Scott spent the entire first season blatantly ignoring the fact that he could potentially lose control of his werewolf power and kill people, just so that he could hang out with Allison.
This is the same kid that thought it perfectly fine to let the kanima kill multiple other innocent people, just because he wanted to be the one to save Jackson.
This is the same kid that was perfectly okay with betraying Derek, using Derek against his will, and teaming up with Gerard Argent.
Scott is arrogant. He acts as if his plans are the best. As if his plans are the ones that avoid numerous casualties. He acts as if people need to follow his direction, despite the fact his strategies usually involve him trying to calmly rationalize with psychopaths instead of actually disposing of the threat.
Remember back when Scott forced Derek to bit Gerard, and despite the fact Derek kept telling him “no”, Scott still did it. And what did Scott have to say for his actions?
"You may be an alpha, but you’re not mine."
Not an apology. Nothing of the sort. He thought he was completely justified in using somebody against their will. And you know who else has used Derek against his will? Peter, Kali, Ethan, Aiden, Jennifer…ALL VILLAINS.
Stiles can be arrogant. He can be selfish. He can be a total asshole. But guess what, THIS ISN’T ABOUT STILES. This is about Scott McCall. Nobody is reflecting Stiles’ negative traits onto Scott, because guess what….PEOPLE LOVE STILES’ NEGATIVE TRAITS. PEOPLE TREASURE STILES’ NEGATIVE TRAITS. HIS NEGATIVE TRAITS MAKE HIS CHARACTER INTERESTING.
Scott is manipulative, whiny, selfish, and arrogant. There’s no denying that, and that doesn’t mean that Scott isn’t nice and heroic sometimes.
And by the way, Posey went on that rant about Sterek over his bitterness that Sterek is more popular than Scott. Simple understanding. Posey was immature. Get over it.
Just accept your fave for what he is.
Scott’s not a villain, though. Like, that’s literally a fact. And even if he does turn bad, it would most likely be because something is causing him to. This logic dictates that Stiles is a villain now, even though we know he’s not because he had no control over what he did last season.
Saying someone cares about the people they know and love and then calling them selfish doesn’t make much sense. Those two things are complete opposites. Everything he does is to make sure the people he loves and cares about are okay. This is part of his character.
You’re using hypotheticals to hate on Scott. Fact is, he ended up controlling himself and didn’t hurt anyone. Meanwhile, Derek spent the first two seasons blatantly using his werewolf powers to manipulate and abuse children and put people in harm’s way all because he wanted more power. So is Derek a villain?
Again, Derek. Derek is the one who turned Jackson into the Kanima. That was all on Derek, not Scott, and what Scott did was try to save a child from Derek’s selfishness.
But like, Scott had no obligation to Derek. Being all “he betrayed Derek” when Scott was never even on his side to begin with makes no sense. And he didn’t team up with Gerard, he used Gerard’s weakness and selfishness to, you know, defeat him. He didn’t trust Derek at the time and thus did not tell him about his plan. That’s what you do. It’s kind of like all that stuff Derek kept from Scott.
That’s not arrogance.
Remember when he saved everyone’s lives by doing that? What did Derek have to say for his actions after manipulating and abusing Boyd, Erica, Scott, Stiles, Isaac, and the various others? Nothing.
Not an apology. Nothing of the sort. He thought he was completely justified in using somebody against their will. And you know who else has used people against their will for the sole purpose of power? Peter, Kali, Ethan, Aiden, Jennifer… ALL VILLAINS.
Derek and Stiles are both manipulative, whiny, selfish, and arrogant. There’s no denying that, and that doesn’t mean Derek and Stiles aren’t nice and heroic sometimes, it just means you’re ignoring those parts and, like was mentioned, projecting those negative traits onto Scott.
And by the way, Posey went on that rant about Sterek because the fandom continues to ignore the hard work he and his cast mates put into the show for a coupling that doesn’t exist and will never exist. And Dylan defended him.
Just accept facts for what they are.
so let me get this straight
the same people that argue that Sterek could easily become canon because Stiles and Derek unconditionally trust and care for each other, despite the fact that both have canonically shown dislike and lack of concern for each other in the past, and that their relationship really isn’t as deep and saccharine as fanon likes to make it (ironically, it’s actually much more interesting than something as basic as that)
are now arguing that Scerek could never become canon because Scott still hates Derek and Derek still doesn’t trust Scott, despite the fact that this is canonically incorrect as has been shown to us in season 3-B
and, on top of that
the same people that argue that people can be coy when they say “X isn’t gay” because what they truly mean is “X is actually bi” because, you know, semantics
are the same people arguing that just because Scott — a fictional character — said “I like girls” it means he’s absolutely straight and there’s no other possibility because, you know, text
are these people for real or
are these people actually serious
They’re also the same people who say they have a problem with Scott because he has an issue with “respecting male authority” despite canon proving the opposite while having no issue with Stiles despite canon proving he has issues with respecting all authority.
Scott not accepting Derek’s offer to “become brothers” is not and will never be an example of Scott having a problem with male authority. It is and will always be an example of Scott sticking up for himself by telling a (at the time) manipulative, abusive, and power-hungry asshole to fuck right off.
I love Scott, I really do - but there’s one thing I will never, ever forgive him: What he did in 212. Stiles was kidnapped and Scott did not even bother to look for him, even after the sheriff asked him to. He didn’t look for Stiles, he didn’t even call around, all he cared about was the big bad, his cause. And when Stiles returned, courtesy of his own frickin’ kidnapper, bruised and battered, all Scott did was say, “Oh, they found Stiles. Thank God.” In the light of Stiles’ absolute conviction that his best friend would find him, that Scott would come… that’s just heartbreaking. Because not only did Scott not come, he didn’t even look for Stiles… I wonder if Stiles found out and that’s why he ignored all Scott’s messages.
I wonder if that’s one of the reasons why Scott stayed with Stiles in Insatiable, why he sent everybody out but he, personally, stayed with Stiles, refusing to let him out of his sight. Because, yeah, Scott’s attitude towards Stiles changed big time starting with S3A. I wonder if these two had a heart-to-heart and Stiles told him about what happened, that Gerard kidnapped him to hurt Scott, but that Stiles never lost faith in Scott, that he knew Scott would’ve come and saved him. And if Scott realized what an a-hole he had been, that Gerard could’ve easily killed Stiles while Scott was galivanting around, pursuing his cause, and if he promised himself that, should they ever land themselves in a situation like this again, he would always put Stiles and his safety and well-being first.
It would be really interesting to read this missing scene, Scott’s thoughts about how he betrayed Stiles’ absolute faith in him without Stiles even realizing it.
Oh my god, why is this in the Sciles tag? Did yet another post dedicated to someone’s lack of viewing comprehension really need to be tagged?
Master Plan was a shitty episode and all of this can be blamed on that hack Davis’ tendency to introduce a conflict and then completely drop it in the sloppiest way possible and render any previous scenes dedicated to it completely useless while ignoring emotional consequences, because clearly he has more exciting things to do, over there.
Nonetheless, you can’t ignore how Scott was going to look for Stiles until the potentially life-threatening situation with Jackson was introduced, which had to take priority because it needed to be dealt with swiftly and he had no idea if Stiles was actually in any danger (and as it turns out, he wasn’t, beyond the bruises). He didn’t know that Stiles had been kidnapped or if he’d just gone somewhere of his own accord, no one knew anything beyond “Hey has anyone seen Stiles?” He was shown to have been calling Stiles continually all that time anyway, and even after Stiles got back no one knew the full story.
What, do you think Gerard tossed Stiles out of his car at his dad’s feet? Scott had no idea that he’d been hurt, he didn’t know until after Stiles crashed through the wall in his Jeep and he saw the bruises. At which point Stiles lied to him about it and that’s all we saw because again, Davis is a hack. But if you can’t look beyond the limited run time of the episode and imagine Scott actually confronting Stiles about where he got those bruises (and taking his pain, probably), then I don’t know what to tell you.
Stiles was ignoring his calls because he didn’t want Scott to know what Gerard had done, because the whole point of his very brief capture was that Gerard wanted Scott to find out, he told Stiles as much.
Stiles life was not in danger, at all, his kidnapping was only meant to be a message to Scott. And saying that Scott was “galivanting” around … yeah, okay, the interest in saving lives is galivanting now. Clearly his “cause” was just blind selfishness.
It is 2014, stop making posts casting Stiles as the noble martyr in his friendship with Scott, good god, it is a huge disservice to both characters.
To be honest, I’d say Scott and Stiles are even. In the very first episode, Stiles persuaded an asthmatic Scott to venture into the woods to look for a dead body at night, only to leave him in the woods by himself once his dad caught them. Stiles’ inability to be like, “hey dad, Scott’s here too, let’s not forget him” subsequently led to Scott being bitten by Peter and being turned into a werewolf against his will, which subsequently led to Scott’s life being turned into a nightmare, which subsequently led to various people in Scott’s life, including several children, being killed. And then after finding out about what happened, Stiles barely showed any remorse and he barely took responsibility for his actions. And if I recall correctly, he even treated Scott like shit afterwards, like having him beaten up by a group of guys, because Scott had a hard time controlling himself after his first turn and kissed Lydia, which Stiles had no right to be mad over since he was not in a relationship with Lydia. In fact, it was Scott who ended up coddling Stiles even though he was the one struggling with being turned into a creature and being left to fend for himself, because that’s the kind of person he is.
So yeah, like I said, I think they’re even, or at least both can be excused and forgiven for such a poor lapse in judgement, even though Scott’s so-called “unforgivable choice”, as opposed to Stiles’, had more to do with shitty writing and the fact that he had more important things to worry about, like everyone dying, than actually being something unforgivable that shows what kind of character he is.
You know, I’m not even one of the people biggest against the age difference between Stiles and Derek, aside of the part where I think that Stiles is far too immature for Derek, and Derek would be bored and annoyed by him pretty damn fast.
Aside of that though, I ship Scott/Derek, which is just as problematic, so I get that there’s some appeal between the vulnerable young boy and the older man. Yet even shipping that, I would never claim that Scerek which has much more chemistry and subtext than Sterek, is a good example of representation.
See, that’s where my main issue lies, that a lot of Sterek shppers actually want their ship to be canon, ignoring that these characters can barely stand to be in the same room together, and forgetting how they actually canonically interact, there are people who actually think that Sterek would be good representation wise for LGBT relationships.
Let me give you a little hint why it isn’t.
I’m Belgian, we’re one of the only countries in the world with a gay man as prime minister of the country. And where for most people the biggest issue against him isn’t his sexual orientation, but the fact that they don’t consider his Dutch good enough. (it’s an issue with him being from Wallonie, which is French speaking and about half the country is Flemish… long story)
And yet, despite this being a pretty progressive country where gay rights were concerned, Di Rupio has been accused twice of being a pedophile.
Yes you hear me, this man is a prominant politician, and just because he’s gay, there have been allegations against him sleeping with underage boys. (aka teenagers about Stiles’ age)
No actual proof, and the first time it happened is when he came out publicly, when a reporter actually dared to indicate that his being gay might be equal to him being interested in young boys. he was fully cleared of said allegations, and yet only last month another politician, dared to call him a pedophile in Parliament. Half of Parliament walked out in protest because of the sheer insult against the prime minister, but the fact is that some asshole actually dared to make such unfounded claims to a man like him, just because he’s gay.
If he were straight, no one would have even considered the words of the guy accusing him. Yet in response there were several people questioning if maybe Di Rupo had had things covered up due to his position.
So if you think that a relationship between a twenty five year old man (aka Derek) and a seventeen year old child (aka Stiles) is good representation, then you’re completely ignore the harm that such a stereotype of gay men being predatory on young boys, does in real life.
if even a prominent politician like Di Rupo in a progressive country like Belgium isn’t safe from the harm of such stereotypes, then what the hell do you think that promoting said stereotypes in more conservative countries like the US would do?
So no, Sterek is not good representation, not even remotely. In contrary, it’s harmful and destructive, to the very cause that people claiming it’s all about representation pretend to support.
If you want Stiles in a gay ship, why not support Sciles?
Posey is all in favor of an on screen relationship between the two. There’s more subtext, more chemistry and actual history between the two characters.
Or what about supporting Scanny or Stanny, both of which would work great as representation, and would pull Danny, who’s now far too often used as the token gay, into the storyline and give him something to do.
What about supporting Derek/Chris or Derek/sheriff Stilinski? you’d still get that age difference and antagonism Sterek shippers seem to love so much, but it’d be between two adults.
And all of those would be a million times better representation wise without supporting harmful stereotypes.
I just love it when people use “our world is homophobic” to hold homosexual couples to highter standard; thus using other people’s homophobia to excuse their own.
And it’s even better because of the assumption that people don’t age or grow. Like, most sterek shippers are in this for the long game, when Stiles is older and in college and Derek has gotten therapy. We ship them forever, all throughout their lives. But of course because at one point he was 17 and the real world is full of homophobes, therefore all representation of LGBT couples is off the table. Oh, except for couples with people in their own age bracket, because all all hetro relationships are judged like that.
After all, the only representation that is “good” is the kind that this person approves off. Everything else sets us back.
I’m not on the Teen Wolf fandom, heck, I don’t even watch it, but isnt like the consensual age for relationships in most countries 16~17 years old?
Also, heterosexual relationships with those age gaps happen.
If Sterek goes canon, it would be no different from any other similar relationship, relationships like this happen, and thus are ONE GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE LGBT community., because they actually exist!!!
*exits running through the door*
Age of Consent laws vary by state, and in California (where Teen Wolf takes place) a sexual relationship between a seventeen-year-old and a twenty-five-year-old would be statutory rape, regardless of the genders of the people involved. But that’s not even the point.
The point is, if Stiles were a girl, if Derek had smashed a sixteen-year-old girl’s head into her steering wheel in a fit of pique, if Derek had a history of physically and verbally abusing said teenage girl, there would not be NEARLY so many people shipping them. Derek probably wouldn’t have nearly so many fans, either, because more people would see him for what he is—an abusive ass who has no business being around teenagers like ever.
And it’s fine if you’re in it for the long haul. I mean, if you think Sterek has a chance in Hell of actually being canonized on the show I already think you’re naive, so whatever. But I don’t really have a problem with people who headcanon their relationship as starting when Stiles is considerably older and Derek has mellowed out. My problem lies with people who are positively outraged that Sterek isn’t already canon. (Nevermind that it never will be, that’s pretty well beside the point.) And if you’re going to try to pretend that a good majority of the Sterek fandom doesn’t ship an emotionally vulnerable seventeen-year-old boy with a seriously damaged twenty-five-year-old man, then I’m just going to call you a liar, or else you haven’t been paying attention to what comes out of that fandom on a regular basis.
"Like, most sterek shippers are in this for the long game, when Stiles is older and in college and Derek has gotten therapy."
But y’all are shipping them now, though. Y’all’re forcing a grown man onto a teenager right now, not in the future when everything is “better”. It’s not any less gross because you’re like, “I’ll still ship them when Stiles is 25.” Like, that’s not what Stiles is right now. Stiles is meant to be a teenager. The show is about a teenager (Scott) and his life after being turned into a werewolf. The odds of the show continuing after these people grow up and become adults is slim to none considering the show has always been about a TEENAGER.
And do you honestly think the show would ever cover those two topics just so Sterek can be together? Derek Hale going to therapy? Stiles going off to college? Really? The show itself has, what, two seasons to go? After that, the show’s either going to be cancelled or the main cast is going to leave to do other projects (especially Dylan). The time it’ll take for the show to cover Stiles growing into an adult and Derek getting help is just not feasible for an TV show on MTV. Y’all are acting like Teen Wolf will still be on the air in 2020 or some shit. Newsflash: it won’t be. You’re literally using hypothetical situations to defend why you ship an adult with a child.
Congrats on completely ignoring the OP’s point about harmful and destructive stereotypes because you’re too proud to admit you’re gross.
So Dylan can outright shut down any hope of Sterek ever happening with his “Stiles is clearly not gay” comments, but Posey can’t tell people it’s ridiculous to ignore everyone’s hard work on the show for a pairing that doesn’t exist? If I’m not mistaken, Posey isn’t the one who fed y’all the misled belief that Sterek could ever happen. Nope, that was Dylan, the guy who has always operated under the assumption that Stiles doesn’t like guys but had no problem telling people “Stiles could be bisexual”.
This is what the Sterek faction gets for being so ignorant and hypocritical.
I’m just now seeing Dylan’s interview and I’m just confused. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume this was Dylan’s way of saying Stiles is straight. I don’t for a minute believe Dylan knows anything about pansexuality or polysexuality since there is virtually no representation for either of those identities in any form of mainstream media. I’m seeing people being accused of erasing poly and pan identities because they’re saying Dylan said Stiles is straight, but that’s basically what he said in his own way. The only person I feel is erasing identities here is Dylan himself. The fact that he completely ignored the possibility of bisexuality and jumped to the conclusion that people think Stiles is gay is like, ridiculous on all levels. I thought he paid attention to the fandom? I thought he’d realize that liking a boy doesn’t mean Stiles is gay. How are you going to say you support Sterek because of the fandom but not even understand anything about how people view the ship?
What a mess.
So the actual physical act of it was hard; I did a lot of research on how she would be actually dying in this circumstance, so I had to bear that in mind. So, as she was dying and she had her last breath, I was saying my lines and I kept saying, “I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.” And I remember one of the producers came over and said, “Please don’t say that because she loves Isaac.” [But] I do feel like Allison still loves Scott. And I think in that moment, she said she loves him because that’s still there. So it was hard for me to hold back those feelings because as an actor, I feel like that’s still there. So I don’t know how it’s going to turn out, but it was interesting for me as an actor because I so strongly felt the urge to say it to him even though she wasn’t supposed to. So that was interesting.
"I was saying my lines and I kept saying, ‘I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.’ And I remember one of the producers came over and said, ‘Please don’t say that because she loves Isaac.’"
HAHAHA WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT.
FIRE THE PRODUCERS AND REPLACE THEM WITH CRYSTAL BECAUSE SHE CLEARLY KNOWS THESE CHARACTERS BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE IN FUCKING CHARGE.