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Teen Wolf 404 - Everyone just wants to get ahead

cupidsbower:

I am loving this season. Seriously. I think it’s shaping up to be my favorite. This episode was the real make-or-break moment, signalling the direction of the season as a whole, and it’s everything I’ve been wanting.

This episode also included/confirmed something I yearn for in fantasy/sci-fi series and very rarely get to see. I’m starting to think Davis is going to give me all the tropes I love!

I wish the PR wasn’t so fucking toxic, and half the fandom hadn’t been driven away, because it means people are missing out on a major payoff from all the build up of the last three seasons.

Spoilers below the cut.

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Your meta is shitty and you should feel shitty about it.

They hated on Scott for being “too obsessed with sports” only to learn that Derek too was obsessed with sports at his age.

They hated on Scott for being “too obsessed with Allison” only to see that Stiles has become obsessed with Malia.

They hated on Scott for “leaving Stiles alone to fend for himself” only to see that Stiles left Scott alone to deal with Liam.

They begged and demanded Sterek to become canon, but what they got instead was the show screaming “YOUR FAVES ARE EXACTLY LIKE THE PERSON YOU HATE” in their faces.

It’s great.

warriorpoodle
warriorpoodle:


STOP USING REAL QUEER PEOPLE AS THOUGH THEIR PURPOSE IN LIFE IS TO FURTHER YOUR SLASH SHIPS, JFC.

I don’t know what the asker’s intentions were, but I would like more queer male m/m writers (and I’m sure queer women would like more queer female f/f writers). Of course the queer/non-queer female m/m authors do an amazing job from what I’ve read, but sometimes there are certain actions and scenes (mostly smut scenes, lol) in m/m fic where you can tell the author doesn’t have the real life experience that would help them write a more believable scene.
It would basically be like me writing f/f or hetero smut scenes based on what I’ve seen in porn. Porn and what you think happens can only take you so far.

warriorpoodle:

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STOP USING REAL QUEER PEOPLE AS THOUGH THEIR PURPOSE IN LIFE IS TO FURTHER YOUR SLASH SHIPS, JFC.

I don’t know what the asker’s intentions were, but I would like more queer male m/m writers (and I’m sure queer women would like more queer female f/f writers). Of course the queer/non-queer female m/m authors do an amazing job from what I’ve read, but sometimes there are certain actions and scenes (mostly smut scenes, lol) in m/m fic where you can tell the author doesn’t have the real life experience that would help them write a more believable scene.

It would basically be like me writing f/f or hetero smut scenes based on what I’ve seen in porn. Porn and what you think happens can only take you so far.

saranghaeshinee

saranghaeshinee:

I don’t think people get it… Malia is assimilating into society, she’s learning by mimicking! The highlighters represent the strings Stiles uses, I’m pretty sure she asked about them and he told her and now she’s using that system to keep herself organized… How did you not get that from the scene?

I just want to tell you that I love your Teen Wolf posts, URL, and Jonghyun icon.

illyrooted

illyrooted:

caram3lo91:

At Sterek shippers saying Hoechlin hurt and betrayed them.

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Or maybe he just made it harder for you guys to project your crackship onto him?

Fan: Hoechlin ships Sterek harder than us

Fan: Brittany and Brittany, obvious beards. 

Fan: Hoechlin is captain of this ship!

Fan: Hoechlin, how do you feel about Sterek?

Hoechlin: 

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Oh, my God, I totally forgot about all the times I’ve seen people say that Hoechlin “ships Sterek harder than anyone” and that “Hoechlin is the captain of the Sterek ship”. It kind of makes this situation funnier.

shutupteenwolffans

shutupteenwolffans:

Both Posey and Dylan have supported the idea of their characters being queer, while Hoechlin finds the idea to be “disrespectful”.

Either Hoechlin takes his job uber seriously or there’s something else at play that is causing him to find the idea of possible queerness “disrespectful” to his presumably-straight character.

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I’ve been informed that Dylan does not neccessarily support the idea of his character being queer and that his opinion on the matter falls into the same category as Hoechlin’s.

So this means Posey remains the only male cast member who has expressed interest and/or support when it comes to his character being queer. As if we needed more reasons to love him.

downthehobbithole

downthehobbithole:

shutupteenwolffans:

Both Posey and Dylan have supported the idea of their characters being queer, while Hoechlin finds the idea to be “disrespectful”.

Either Hoechlin takes his job uber seriously or there’s something else at play that is causing him to find the idea of possible queerness “disrespectful” to his presumably-straight character.

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 im sorry, but I just don’t think you’re right. I totally get where you’re coming from, especially considering the differences in backlash between him and posey. I mean, I could be wrong, but hoechlin wasn’t asked what he thought about Derek being queer, he was asked what he thought about sterek. Neither him nor the asker said anything about dereks possible queerness. He was asked if he shipped sterek, and his answer reflected his views on the idea of his character dating a minor that he literally has cannonly expressed hatred for and abused in the past. I think its understandable that he would see that as disrespectful to his character. He never said the idea of Derek being queer was weird, but the idea of him dating stiles is weird, and he also said it would be disrespectful to stiles too. Like literally, the question was about sterek, and there is no evidence to suggest that  the answer was about anything other then sterek. I can understand how his reaction to a queer ship seems offputting, but it was his reaction to one ship, not his entire view on possibly a queer Derek. I could totally be wrong, but I just wanted to put that out there.

I get what you are saying, which is why I stated in my other post that I don’t actually think Hoechlin is a homophobe. However, you must ask yourself: would Hoechlin’s answer have been the same if the question was about a ship that involves Derek and a woman that he is not canonically linked to? Hoechilin framed his answer as if him saying “no” to Sterek was all because Stiles and Derek aren’t together on the show, but that seemed like a cop out to me and the reason why he was tip-toeing around the question. Asking yourself that question and coming to an answer is all hypothetical of course, but I honestly don’t think Hoechlin would reply in the same way. I mean, I want to believe that Hoechlin is open-minded and progressive, but odds are he’s just a typical straight boy, meaning he thinks m/f is totally okay because it’s normal to him, but m/m is “disrespectful” because that’s totally not what his character is. In addition, as sad as it is, I don’t think he or the cast really think all that much about the details of the ship. I don’t think he thought to himself, “I don’t ship it because of the age difference,” I think it was as simple as, “I don’t ship it because Derek isn’t gay,” which is fine, but it’s the whole “disrespectful” comment that lights up my “homophobe” light.

Whether or not we want to admit it, Sterek and Hoechlin’s character being queer go hand in hand. Interpreting Hoechlin’s words as “I don’t want my character to be queer” is a logical interpretation, but at the same time, that interpretation is also illogical if that’s not how you interpreted it. I’m not going to go around yelling at people for interpreting his words differently, I’m just going to remain content with how I interpreted them.

bysheerforceofwill

bysheerforceofwill:

Idk I think what hoechlin said came across more homophobic than ‘[sterek fans] are not watching the show for the right reasons’ idek if he intended it that way but he implied it would be disrespectful to Derek’s character.

In his defence he may have meant that Derek would have to be changed almost beyond recognition to become someone who could date stiles without Scott coming to defend his best friend from abusive,brooding older guy, but Hoechlin’s getting a noticeable absence of comments compared to poseygate.

What Hoechlin said did have a tinge of homophobia to it, and you could tell Hoechlin knew it would come off that way and that is why he tried his hardest to tip toe around the entire subject. Posey, on the other hand, didn’t give a fuck about what he was saying because, well, that’s Posey for you.

Posey: “I think Sterek is a bizarre weird twisted thing and I think that anyone pays more attention to Sterek than the show isn’t watching the show for the right reasons.”

Hoechlin: “But for me, personally, just because I have so much respect for Derek as the character and for Stiles as the character that… for me, it’s like, to live in that, or to really think about that… I… just for me, personally, as the actor playing the character… I feel like I would be disrespecting the character, so I don’t really entertain it, or even think about it, just because for me, it’s such a separate thing, it has… it doesn’t really have anything to do with what happens on the show.”

When you take Posey’s entire quote into context instead of just bits and pieces like so many people have done, you notice that he is referring to Sterek as a phenomena as opposed to Sterek the coupling. His last sentence about people paying more attention to Sterek than the show itself makes that clear. Posey finds the idea of people caring more about a coupling that doesn’t exist than the show itself “weird” and “twisted”, and he’s right.

Then you have Hoechlin’s quote where he repeatedly talks about how much he respects his character and then goes on to say that seeing said character with another guy is “disrespectful”. Hoechlin’s not talking about Sterek as a phenomena, or even Sterek as a coupling, he’s flat out talking about the idea of his character being queer and that viewing Derek as queer is somehow “disrespectful” to Derek’s character from his own personal standpoint.

Now the thing that differentiates these two men even further is this: Posey has outright said that he wouldn’t mind his character being queer, whereas Hoechlin, as mentioned above, finds the idea of his character being queer “disrespectful” and something he simply cannot fathom. I find it odd that Posey has no problem with his presumably-straight character being queer in the end, while Hoechlin finds that idea to be “disrespectful” and something he can’t think about. What is causing these two men to approach their character’s possible queerness in such a different way? I personally think it has something to do with how they feel about homosexuality in general.

I don’t think Hoechlin is homophobic, though I am always and will forever be wary of religious people, but what Hoechlin said and the implications of what he said deserve so much more backlash than what Posey got during “Poseygate”. People had to literally twist and misconstrue Posey’s words in order to bash him for what he said, but you don’t have to do that with what Hoechlin said because there’s no need to. Tyler Hoechlin finds the idea of his character being queer disrespectful, and that’s a big fucking issue. Point. Blank. Period.

shutupteenwolffans

shutupteenwolffans:

Bless Hoechlin for how he answered that question. He tried so, so hard not to come off as an asshole or to disrespect Sterek shippers because he knows how important Sterek is to so many people and how much backlash he’d get if he was more blunt.

But let’s be real, the fact that he had to coddle Sterek shippers’ feelings when stating how he truly felt, is just pathetic on so many levels. He should not have to be scared of his own fanbase for having an opinion that is completely valid.

Wait, no, I recant. I’m not here for further encouraging these ridiculous people by being nice. We all know what he wanted to say and how he feels: Sterek isn’t real so he doesn’t get it or ship it or care about it. I’m not here for saying it nicely to avoid backlash. I’m here for being blunt and straight up telling these people to fuck off.